Cultural/Political Discussion Thread

It's not Black Metal if it's not from Scandinavia

Exactly. 

It's not armpit fart rock if it doesn't come from an elementary school.

I think part of it is also due to wanting instant gratification. With today's high speed nature, some people just can't wait, they have to have it all now

Like let's say someone really likes Green Day, and they want to own their entire discography. They go and look up all of their albums and find out, holy shit they have 13 albums and they're all $10? I have to spend $130 +tax to own all their albums? FUCK THAT

I sit there and tell them "uh, you know you can just slowly buy it all right? You don't have to buy it all at once", and they just seem dumbfounded. When some of them see my various collections, they act like I bought those all at once. No, I've been buying this shit for years, that's why it's that big.

I think it's more of a case of adapt or die. I mean,  how silly is it when Metallica sues their own fans or Garth Brooks (I think that was the artist.) criticizing the used CD industry (which by the way, a dead one now, of course)?

I think part of it is also due to wanting instant gratification. With today's high speed nature, some people just can't wait, they have to have it all now

Like let's say someone really likes Green Day, and they want to own their entire discography. They go and look up all of their albums and find out, holy shit they have 13 albums and they're all $10? I have to spend $130 +tax to own all their albums? FUCK THAT

I sit there and tell them "uh, you know you can just slowly buy it all right? You don't have to buy it all at once", and they just seem dumbfounded. When some of them see my various collections, they act like I bought those all at once. No, I've been buying this shit for years, that's why it's that big.

I think it's more of a case of adapt or die. I mean,  how silly is it when Metallica sues their own fans or Garth Brooks (I think that was the artist.) criticizing the used CD industry (which by the way, a dead one now, of course)?

I don't know if you don't leave your house at all, but used CD stores are a dime a dozen all over the place, so I'd hardly call it dead. You also completely missed the entire point of my post, it was more of a confusion/criticism of people who have instant access to a band's entire discography on Spotify, but when they want the physical collection (if it's a fairly extensive discography), and are shocked that it doesn't cost like $10 to own all of it instantly. They also refuse to buy it piece by piece, because they want to have all of it right now.

I think part of it is also due to wanting instant gratification. With today's high speed nature, some people just can't wait, they have to have it all now

Like let's say someone really likes Green Day, and they want to own their entire discography. They go and look up all of their albums and find out, holy shit they have 13 albums and they're all $10? I have to spend $130 +tax to own all their albums? FUCK THAT

I sit there and tell them "uh, you know you can just slowly buy it all right? You don't have to buy it all at once", and they just seem dumbfounded. When some of them see my various collections, they act like I bought those all at once. No, I've been buying this shit for years, that's why it's that big.

I think it's more of a case of adapt or die. I mean,  how silly is it when Metallica sues their own fans or Garth Brooks (I think that was the artist.) criticizing the used CD industry (which by the way, a dead one now, of course)?

I don't know if you don't leave your house at all, but used CD stores are a dime a dozen all over the place, so I'd hardly call it dead. You also completely missed the entire point of my post, it was more of a confusion/criticism of people who have instant access to a band's entire discography on Spotify, but when they want the physical collection (if it's a fairly extensive discography), and are shocked that it doesn't cost like $10 to own all of it instantly. They also refuse to buy it piece by piece, because they want to have all of it right now.

If music companies want the discography to be competitive and sell, they might consider selling it all for $10 as that's what the market wants - but owning the discography seems to be something special.

I wouldn't call it being competitive when you sell things at a loss to a tiny fraction of the market that weren't going to buy it in the first place. That sounds more like poor business decision.

The thing here, is that those individuals want it all, they want it now, and they don't want to spend a single dime. They want to own 300 albums, and they want to click a button to download it all, and they don't want it to cost a dime.

They make the argument seem to be about price, but you find out that it's largely a disguise to their real reason of "I want it for free".

My whole criticism of people pirating entertainment isn't the actual act of it, it's when they try and concoct a "real" reason to justify it, when their entire reasoning is "I just want free stuff".

I wouldn't call it being competitive when you sell things at a loss to a tiny fraction of the market that weren't going to buy it in the first place. That sounds more like poor business decision.

The thing here, is that those individuals want it all, they want it now, and they don't want to spend a single dime. They want to own 300 albums, and they want to click a button to download it all, and they don't want it to cost a dime.

They make the argument seem to be about price, but you find out that it's largely a disguise to their real reason of "I want it for free".

My whole criticism of people pirating entertainment isn't the actual act of it, it's when they try and concoct a "real" reason to justify it, when their entire reasoning is "I just want free stuff".

Usually, the customer is always right.  They want free or the cheapest - and given no other option - the sellers have to give it to them.  That's a problem in capitalism in regards to some stuff - like say, mom and pop web hosting.

The thing with capitalism is that you need to find the balance between a reasonable price, and one that can give you a profit to continue your business. Going too far in one extreme or the other is going to run your company to the ground.

I don’t think you have a good grasp of this if you’re advocating giving your products (in this case music) away for free, or almost free, because a tiny fraction of the market doesn’t want to pay for it.

Morally, I massively disagree with it, but sometimes you have to read the handwriting on the wall!