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Keyboard / Piano
Author: fantanoice, Views: 7361, Replies: 35

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(02-20-2014, 12:39 AM)ln cognition Wrote: How about "non-sequential arpeggio"?
Works for me. lol

But seriously, I don't really find terminology as important as communication. It's just that I don't really want to say something wrong either. People get what you mean when you say arpeggio, even if it's not in accordance with the site you use to justify your use of that term, so there's no problem as people get what you mean.
Agreed.

Although, to be honest, I'm more bothered by the g and f harmonizing in the first stroke than the notes not necessarily being in sequence. That's just un-arpeggioy. >__>
It's pseudo-Jazzy. (Just go with it. It was a bad example, lol.)

Much of my uncertainty on how to use the term actually originate in how guitarists and pianists play it kinda differently. Can't remember what the difference actually was, though, only that when we went through arpeggios in class, every single guitarist went "wait, that's not precisely how we do it".
Which only goes to show that guitarists are terrible musicians. :face-face:
A lot of guitarists, I have noticed, don't seem to view music in the same way as many other musicians. Part of this is because our view of theory can be very guitar-centric. But a lot of it comes down to a large amount of the guitar community not caring about any instruments beyond guitar, possibly bass and drums...and maybe a keyboard (that, in the guitarists' mind only plays melodies). Of course, a lot of the best guitar-based music wasn't composed with such a narrow way of looking at the whole.

(02-20-2014, 01:27 AM)Danjo Wrote: Well almost all guitar chords are inversions of one kind or another, so the way a guitarist thinks about chords is just different. And you could either say that playing the notes of a standard chord in order of strings is an arpeggio, or you could mean playing the notes in the order that they fall in a scale, which is many cases mean you can't just hold the chord for guitar.
An inversion is a chord where the tonic isn't the root. So, slash chords are inversions. A standard Emajor, Aminor, G7, etc. -- none of those are inversions. Even on piano, there's different voicings of common chords. (If you look into composition with several melody-based instruments, particularly those that use free counterpoint [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterpoin...unterpoint], then you'll see there's an awful lot of voicings, depending on the situation and the desired cadence.) It's just that pianists tend to get used to the standard 3-finger major/minor chord fingering, adding other fingers for extensions or moving their middle/ring finger to play suspensions.

A guitarist, of course, has several go-to voicings that are common. But any guitarist realizes at some point that he has as many possible chord voicings as he can think of. Contrast that to piano where you end up with less than 10 different voicings that can practically be played. Just the nature of the beast. Confusedhrug:
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#22
Huh, I thought 1 5 3 counted as an inversion. Just an alternate voicing then?

Also pentatonics make a hell of a lot more sense on guitar. They're weird on piano.
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#23
(02-21-2014, 02:48 AM)Danjo Wrote: Huh, I thought 1 5 3 counted as an inversion. Just an alternate voicing then?
Mhmm. Btw, alternate voicings like 1-7-3-5 or 1-9-5-3-7 (etc.) can be kind of interesting.

Quote:Also pentatonics make a hell of a lot more sense on guitar. They're weird on piano.
Yeah, piano really doesn't work well with scales like that. It sounds good, but it feels odd to play.
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#24
Doesn't one of the pentatonic scales only contain all the flat/sharp/dark notes/keys. Might be less weird to play. :p
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#25
Switching from guitar to piano is easy but also really hard at the same time

Like, physically it's not difficult to play but it's a different mindset
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#26
(02-21-2014, 06:10 PM)ln cognition Wrote: Doesn't one of the pentatonic scales only contain all the flat/sharp/dark notes/keys. Might be less weird to play. :p
Heh? Are you talking about Eb minor pentatonic (Eb, Gb, Ab, Bb, & Db)?
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(02-21-2014, 09:58 PM)crazysam23 Wrote:
(02-21-2014, 06:10 PM)ln cognition Wrote: Doesn't one of the pentatonic scales only contain all the flat/sharp/dark notes/keys. Might be less weird to play. :p
Heh? Are you talking about Eb minor pentatonic (Eb, Gb, Ab, Bb, & Db)?
Yup. Thus you only use the black keys, and it should feel less weird to play. :3
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#28
Yeah. It is interesting how guitarists just have a very different perspective on music theory than piano players, or almost any other instrument really. I mean part of it is laziness, but some things just kinda work differently on a guitar. And I'm not sure how everyone else decided that pianos were the gold standard for theory.
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#29
Hey, hey...


How was counterpoint invented?












A: The same leadsheet was put in front of two guitar players.
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#30
(02-21-2014, 10:11 PM)Danjo Wrote: And I'm not sure how everyone else decided that pianos were the gold standard for theory.
Pianos are very easy to sing to, that's why. And most music students end up using piano a lot (or at least, they did at my school, for the short time I was a music minor). Piano is an instrument that's very easy to visualize and compose stuff with; some composers even use piano to work out ideas for other instruments. Confusedhrug:
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