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RE: 2 pɐǝɹɥʇ ʎʇıunɯɯoɔ - Fantasyfanman - 05-22-2014

Yeah, I see what you mean. I mean, I have watched shows like Yuyushiki , Kill Me Baby, and even Minami-Ke that are more or less pointless but I enjoyed it for more than one reason.

On the flip side I do watch "serious" shows like Flowers of Evil, Monogatari, Attack on Titan, and even some romances like Say "I Love You" and Toradora.

On another note, I have had more than one person tell me it is weird for a stright guy to like romance anime as much as I do.


RE: 2 pɐǝɹɥʇ ʎʇıunɯɯoɔ - Grungie - 05-22-2014

You've only seen the good schoolgirl comedies where they're actually entertaining, but I've seen a handful of the ones that were more cute than anything else, they get boring pretty fast. They're basically a one trick pony, and they run their course pretty fast after an episode or two.

Take Sakura Trick for instance, the entire punchline of the show is the two girls kissing each other, and most of the "gags" show off how cute they are, or them kissing, that's fucking it.


RE: 2 pɐǝɹɥʇ ʎʇıunɯɯoɔ - Fantasyfanman - 05-22-2014

Didn't you like Sakura Trick though?


RE: 2 pɐǝɹɥʇ ʎʇıunɯɯoɔ - Grungie - 05-22-2014

It was alright, I might have praised it when I only saw the first two episodes, but it got old pretty fast after that. It's pretty mediocre for the most part, and I recall telling you it wasn't that great.


RE: 2 pɐǝɹɥʇ ʎʇıunɯɯoɔ - carlcockatoo - 05-22-2014

(05-20-2014, 11:27 PM)Grungie Wrote: Lel high school.

lol, I was overdressed compared to most. I looked hot as fuck though so I don't care. You all can't laugh at me for being a stupid high school student anymore. Now you can just laugh at me for being stupid. :p

On the topic of Baby Metal: It's pretty bad and gimmicky. The chorus isn't too bad, and does sound like typical J-Pop, but the verses are terrible.

(05-22-2014, 01:05 AM)Grungie Wrote: Tbh I hate Japanese music when they purposely make it obnoxious and annoying. I don't get it, but people seem to love that shit.

I am disappointed when people, organisations, music groups, or whatever eagerly confirm to their own stereotypes. This is an example of that.

(05-22-2014, 02:54 AM)Grungie Wrote: I know a bunch of male weabs are obsessed with the kawaii factor of stuff, and that's pretty much all they care about, which imo is kind of weird for guys.

And this is what compels people to confirm to said stereotypes. This group probably exists because of this sort of fanbase, which mostly feels artificial to me, similar to bronies.


RE: 2 pɐǝɹɥʇ ʎʇıunɯɯoɔ - Grungie - 05-22-2014

(05-22-2014, 03:25 AM)carlcockatoo Wrote: I am disappointed when people, organisations, music groups, or whatever eagerly confirm to their own stereotypes. This is an example of that.
Yeah, I really hate the internet's perception of Japan, but this kind of shit comes out that really doesn't help my cause.

(05-22-2014, 03:25 AM)carlcockatoo Wrote: And this is what compels people to confirm to said stereotypes. This group probably exists because of this sort of fanbase, which mostly feels artificial to me, similar to bronies.

I think it's only similar to bronies in the West, this type of stuff works differently in Japan.

It's catered towards otakus, which in the West is a term for people who are big anime/manga fans, but is a pejorative term in Japan and means anyone with overly obsessive interests, and applies to any interest. So there are idol groups specifically targeted at grown men for the sole purpose for them to obsess over the singers.

If you think how they capitalize pop stars in the US is bad, you haven't seen how Japan does it, cuz they take it up to 11. Their obsession with the idol singers are taken to another level, and they create fanclubs who go to the concerts and literally are a cheer squad for the idol singers.

Another aspect of them overly obsessing over the singers, is how they force idol singers to keep a pure image and not have boyfriends, so the men can feel even more attacked for their "love" of the singer. It gets so bad that I remember the voice actor/singer Aya Hirano got fired from her studio because of a "sex scandal" because she slept with all of her band members, and her fanboys literally destroyed all of her merchandise that they owned. They even destroyed the manga and shit that the shows she's acted in were based off of, despite her having nothing to do with them.

In the West, it's pretty much like what I'm assuming you're thinking about bronies, where there's people more into the shock factor of being a brony, or being into the brony culture than liking the show. So with weaboos, they're more into the goofy romanticized internet version of Japan rather than actual Japan. Which I always find it entertaining when I see people have a harsh reality check when they go there and find out that a lot of Japanese people find some of this shit just as annoying as Westerners do.


RE: 2 pɐǝɹɥʇ ʎʇıunɯɯoɔ - carlcockatoo - 05-22-2014

(05-22-2014, 03:45 AM)Grungie Wrote: Yeah, I really hate the internet's perception of Japan, but this kind of shit comes out that really doesn't help my cause.

I honestly find this sort of thing to be really offensive. I don't deal with 'weaboos' in real life too much. A recent example of unjust perceptions involves a kid I know who is going on a mission to Samoa. Everyone's response was 'you better stay in the safe area or you will get shot', even though the murder rate is 1/4 of that of the US, it is not as poor as people think (even if it's not rich), and the local culture is way different than the usual perception (it's like they just heard 'Samoa' and thought 'I don't know where that is so I'm going to assume it's a 'third world shit hole').


Quote:I think it's only similar to bronies in the West, this type of stuff works differently in Japan.

It's catered towards otakus, which in the West is a term for people who are big anime/manga fans, but is a pejorative term in Japan and means anyone with overly obsessive interests, and applies to any interest. So there are idol groups specifically targeted at grown men for the sole purpose for them to obsess over the singers.

If you think how they capitalize pop stars in the US is bad, you haven't seen how Japan does it, cuz they take it up to 11. Their obsession with the idol singers are taken to another level, and they create fanclubs who go to the concerts and literally are a cheer squad for the idol singers.

That's basically what I was implying- that Baby Metal was created just for people to obsess over. I didn't want to outright say it because it's not like I'm well versed on this subject.

On a side note, I don't mind US pop stars (and I'm assuming many Japanese pop stars). For example, Beyonce feels like a legitimate musician to me, even if the marketing and sex appeal and all that is commercialised. Pop music is a mix of authenticity and mass marketing, it's just groups like Baby Metal and similar groups come off as being almost completely commercialised.

Quote:Another aspect of them overly obsessing over the singers, is how they force idol singers to keep a pure image and not have boyfriends, so the men can feel even more attacked for their "love" of the singer. It gets so bad that I remember the voice actor/singer Aya Hirano got fired from her studio because of a "sex scandal" because she slept with all of her band members, and her fanboys literally destroyed all of her merchandise that they owned. They even destroyed the manga and shit that the shows she's acted in were based off of, despite her having nothing to do with them. [quote]

Wow that's stupid. I think I remember you mentioning this before, though not the part about burning all of the manga.

[quote]In the West, it's pretty much like what I'm assuming you're thinking about bronies, where there's people more into the shock factor of being a brony, or being into the brony culture than liking the show. So with weaboos, they're more into the goofy romanticized internet version of Japan rather than actual Japan. Which I always find it entertaining when I see people have a harsh reality check when they go there and find out that a lot of Japanese people find some of this shit just as annoying as Westerners do.

I was thinking about that with bronies, though I was trying to draw a comparison between the different motives in the fanbases, just a universal statement on how people confirm to stereotypes, whether it be for shock factor, mass marketing, societal pressures, etc.

A good example of this is what I see in my area as an American in a 'red state'. At my school (one last high school rant ololololo) it's become the cool thing to fly confederate flags, only listen to country music, etc. It started with one kid who just one day decided to wear cowboy hats, obnoxious belt buckles, confederate flag shirts, and cowboy boots. Than many people started doing it. At my ceremony last night there were six confederate flags flying, and the local media has described my school as a school that's 'going country'. It's like people here that and say, 'I guess I should do that too lol'.

Of course, country music is associated with conservatism which is associated with racism, so that racism and 'white rights' incident at my school propelled all of this. People- not just in my silly high school, but throughout the area- will confirm to this image, and use their 'I'm a country boy' card to justify racism and such as if they are a religious person defending fasting because it's part of their belief system.

I've noticed people go from hating country music to suddenly 'loving' it, which I have seen in my family as well. It's a genre built on mass 'socialisation'. All I can say to that is, "If you genuinely like it, you don't have to be racist, confirm to an artificial 'redneck' persona, or develop weird idolisations for country singers."

Unrelated, but I think you get my point about confirming to stereotypes.

To end this, I don't know how this image of Japan even exists. When I think of Japan those aren't the first images that come to my mind. I understand how that image exists, just not why. A country is not defined by it's cartoons.


RE: 2 pɐǝɹɥʇ ʎʇıunɯɯoɔ - Grungie - 05-22-2014

(05-22-2014, 04:33 AM)carlcockatoo Wrote: That's basically what I was implying- that Baby Metal was created just for people to obsess over. I didn't want to outright say it because it's not like I'm well versed on this subject.

On a side note, I don't mind US pop stars (and I'm assuming many Japanese pop stars). For example, Beyonce feels like a legitimate musician to me, even if the marketing and sex appeal and all that is commercialised. Pop music is a mix of authenticity and mass marketing, it's just groups like Baby Metal and similar groups come off as being almost completely commercialised.

I don't mind pop stars either, their music might not be my cup of tea, but some are fairly talented at singing and/or dancing. Though I think idol groups are more similar to say Disney pop stars where they're specifically just comercial "garbage"

(05-22-2014, 04:33 AM)carlcockatoo Wrote: I was thinking about that with bronies, though I was trying to draw a comparison between the different motives in the fanbases, just a universal statement on how people confirm to stereotypes, whether it be for shock factor, mass marketing, societal pressures, etc.

/compressed stuff to make this smaller

Unrelated, but I think you get my point about confirming to stereotypes.

I totally get your point, and it definitely does feel a bit artificial when people get wayyy too into the subculture aspect, and that seems to overtake the fandom more than the object of affection the fandom consists of. There's time where I feel these weaboos seem kind of forcing themselves into assimilating into the weaboo subculture when they're denouncing everything Western and trying to be as "Japanese" as possible. They only watch anime, they only listen to Japanese music, they only eat with chopsticks, they only play video games made by Japanese companies, and to top it all off, they throw random Japanese words into their sentences for shits and giggles.

Though most of the people that are like that, it's because it's the only thing they do, and their entire life and personality is based off of that. It's like stoners vs people who smoke pot, they just base their personality off of the only hobby they're into. So when I talk to some of these weaboos, this is literally the only thing they do. Like the short period I was friends with Inst, he has no job, and only recently went to school (but is only taking Japanese class lol), and his entire daily routine involves only watching anime and playing video games all. fucking; day. Then talking about it on the internet. That is his life, and most of the really stereotypical weaboos have similar lifestyles.

(05-22-2014, 04:33 AM)carlcockatoo Wrote: To end this, I don't know how this image of Japan even exists. When I think of Japan those aren't the first images that come to my mind. I understand how that image exists, just not why. A country is not defined by it's cartoons.

I think it's because that's the easiest way or the first way people get introduced to Japanese culture. Unless you like Akira Kurosawa, you don't really hear much about other Japanese films. Despite a huge chunk of video games are Japanese, you don't really get exposed to Japanese culture through games. When you're playing Zelda and Mario, you don't think about Japan, you think about saving Hyrule, or why Princess Peach is in another fucking castle.

So unless you are Japanese, or live in a community with a lot of Japanese people, anime is really the only way people get exposed to Japan.


RE: 2 pɐǝɹɥʇ ʎʇıunɯɯoɔ - crazysam23 - 05-23-2014

I bought an iPhone 4S today. It was almost free, because it was a deal with Verizon. You get a 2-year plan, and the phone's really cheap.


RE: 2 pɐǝɹɥʇ ʎʇıunɯɯoɔ - Grungie - 05-23-2014

Nice, they're probably just throwing those out at people because everyone wants one of the various iPhone 5's.