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RE: 2 pɐǝɹɥʇ ʎʇıunɯɯoɔ - Mr Maps - 04-07-2014

From my understanding, guitar amp speakers aren't designed to handle as low frequencies as basses produce, resulting in them eventually pooping out. The bass creates clipping because the speaker simply isn't designed for such low frequencies and it can't produce them properly - hence why it sounds like shit (or at least, it can do, sometimes it can sound okay). Guitar speakers aren't designed for low frequencies because they are meant to 'colour' the tone for more mid-range frequencies, because that's where the guitar tends to sit, generally closer to the upper-mids. It's the same reason why acoustic guitars sound like crap through electric guitar amps - they're frequency ranges are wider than electrics, so they clip nastily when the amp can't produce the extremes of their spectrum. Of course, an acoustic won't break the speaker, because they're not that far away from electrics like basses are.

Bass speakers tend to 'colour' the tone less than guitar speakers and have a more 'transparent' role - as such, they can handle a wider ranger of frequencies. Plus they often use bigger speakers (and bigger magnets) which can handle wider ranges better than smaller ones. Basses need a more transparent, clear tone to avoid muddiness, which is nasty.

I'm not totally, 100% sure on these things, but I do know basses will kill guitar speakers. I saw it happen a couple of times working in a guitar shop, and my friend played his bass through an 8" speaker in a Roland Cube, which needless to say sounded terrible and resulted in him having a dead weight Cube. I don't really know the proper physics of things - because Physics has always been my weakest science - so I may well have got concepts or terminology wrong. Plus, it's a while since I learnt any of it, so I may remember things wrong, but anyway, this is my basic knowledge of it.


RE: 2 pɐǝɹɥʇ ʎʇıunɯɯoɔ - crazysam23 - 04-07-2014

(04-07-2014, 08:29 PM)Grungie Wrote: Well that's all opinion, as people run electric guitars through a bass amp, so it works the other way aroune.
Yeah, but it won't even pick up any of the low-bass registry. You'll play a low E note (open E string), for instance...and it'll sound way too treble-y.

That's what I meant by sounding like ass.



Interestingly enough, bands that use ER guitars sometimes have to get amps that can actually pick up their low F# string or whatever. lol


RE: 2 pɐǝɹɥʇ ʎʇıunɯɯoɔ - Grungie - 04-07-2014

What if you want a bright sounding bass?


RE: 2 pɐǝɹɥʇ ʎʇıunɯɯoɔ - crazysam23 - 04-07-2014

(04-07-2014, 10:59 PM)Grungie Wrote: What if you want a bright sounding bass?
Then do what Flea does and use a bass amp anyway. Tongue


RE: 2 pɐǝɹɥʇ ʎʇıunɯɯoɔ - Hank Hill - 04-08-2014

All this reminds me of Local H. The dude has bass pickups on the lower part of his guitar, so he's literally playing guitar and bass at the same time. I have no idea how that works out, but the music is great.


RE: 2 pɐǝɹɥʇ ʎʇıunɯɯoɔ - Grungie - 04-08-2014

(04-07-2014, 11:34 PM)crazysam23 Wrote: Then do what Flea does and use a bass amp anyway. Tongue

Flea has talent, I don't


RE: 2 pɐǝɹɥʇ ʎʇıunɯɯoɔ - crazysam23 - 04-08-2014

(04-08-2014, 12:43 AM)Grungie Wrote:
(04-07-2014, 11:34 PM)crazysam23 Wrote: Then do what Flea does and use a bass amp anyway. Tongue

Flea has talent, I don't
Confusedhrug:


RE: 2 pɐǝɹɥʇ ʎʇıunɯɯoɔ - Danjo - 04-08-2014

(04-07-2014, 09:48 PM)Mr Maps Wrote: *Stuff*

I believe you, but the physics don't make any sense. I get why it would sound bad, but I can't see how moving at a lower than normal frequency would be bad for the speaker. It would make much more sense if a higher frequency was worse, because there would be more force on it. Theres probably something I'm oversimplifying, but I just don't know enough to figure out what.

A guitar amp with a good amount of low-end would probably sound alright. Not that it would be better than a bass amp though.


RE: 2 pɐǝɹɥʇ ʎʇıunɯɯoɔ - Grungie - 04-08-2014

I think what you need, is a new amp


RE: 2 pɐǝɹɥʇ ʎʇıunɯɯoɔ - Mr Maps - 04-08-2014

:haha: ^

(04-08-2014, 03:25 AM)Danjo Wrote:
(04-07-2014, 09:48 PM)Mr Maps Wrote: *Stuff*

I believe you, but the physics don't make any sense. I get why it would sound bad, but I can't see how moving at a lower than normal frequency would be bad for the speaker. It would make much more sense if a higher frequency was worse, because there would be more force on it. Theres probably something I'm oversimplifying, but I just don't know enough to figure out what.

A guitar amp with a good amount of low-end would probably sound alright. Not that it would be better than a bass amp though.

Also, I just thought, Peavey have that modelling amp range that's designed for both guitar and bass but uses a guitar amp speaker. I'm curious as to how they do that and not make it sound like ass.

That's the problem I have because I simply don't know enough about the actual physics of it to properly explain it. As you're somewhat more familiar with these things you're far more equipped to explain them than I am. But yes, I don't why it does this, but it does seem to.

Actually ha ing thohgt about it I imagine they use a transparent ish speaker and let the models do the speaker tone colouring as well as the amp tone. If that makes sense.